__/ [ 7 ] on Saturday 25 February 2006 00:17 \__
> Larry Qualig wrote:
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>> 7 wrote:
>>> Larry Qualig wrote:
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>>> >
>>> > 7 wrote:
>>> >> Larry Qualig wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 7 wrote:
>>> >> >> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > __/ [ B Gruff ] on Thursday 23 February 2006 00:07 \__
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> > http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx
>>> >> precn_n?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Well well, Dell:-)
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> > Don't get too excited:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx
>>> >> precn_380?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Dell think they can pull a fast one: selling Linux for the same
>>> >> >> > price as
>>> >> >> > the equivalent offering with a Windows XP licence. Just remove
>>> >> >> > the "n"
>>> >> >> > from the model and then search the Web, hitting the first
>>> >> >> > result. The truth is suddenly unravelled.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Having said that, it is nice that Dell are making progress. It
>>> >> >> > is no sur- prise either. Michael Dell gave 100 millions dollars
>>> >> >> > _out of his own pock- et_ to Red Hat Linux. That was over 6
>>> >> >> > months ago if I recall correctly, so
>>> >> >> > it was bound to happen. The open PC (void hard-drive), on the
>>> >> >> > contrary,
>>> >> >> > was /more/ expensive than the equivalent with Windows. So let's
>>> >> >> > call that *progress*, but avoid unnecessary enthusiasm.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Roy
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I agree.
>>> >> >> So who cares about Dell$ if they sell PCs with GNU/Linux and
>>> >> >> overcharge? Dell$ nowwhere to be seen when it comes to competitive
>>> >> >> value for money.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> There are companies like E-sys that sell supported Linux computers
>>> >> >> with warranty, software like Open Office etc a lot cheaper than
>>> >> >> dell$. http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products
>>> >>
>>>
>
index.html?rb=16488053918&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=89079
>>> >> >> For 127.64 pounds you get a 2.26GHz PC.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> > For the record... that price from E-sys is an *excellent* price.
>>> >> > But:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -> "So who cares about Dell$.... Dell$ nowwhere to be seen when it
>>> >> > comes to competitive value for money."
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The problem is that "E-sys is nowhere to be seen - PERIOD."
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> The problem is that is that that is complete FUD.
>>> >> Ebuyer has 330 eSys machines in stock.
>>> >> Thats not a small order.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > For someone the size of Dell it is a small order. Ebuyer may have a
>>> > total of 330 in stock. Dell probably ships that many in under an hour.
>>> > It's ridiculous trying to compare "Ebuyer" to Dell who happens to sell
>>> > more computers than anyone else in the world.
>>> >
>>> > I see lots of Dell commercials on TV. Where are all those EBuyer
>>> > commercials? Just about every magazine and newspaper has Dell adds.
>>> > I've never-ever seen an add for EBuyer. I've been reading computer
>>> > publications for years now. I never heard of EBuyer until today.
>>>
>>> Total and utter micoshafty like FUD and total and UTTER rubbish.
>>> The pie is large and therefore 330 machines can only be one order
>>> and serviced by a LARGE company. No small or medium sized company
>>> can service such orders.
>>>
>>> You saying "The problem is that "E-sys is nowhere to be seen - PERIOD." "
>>> is just pure FUD and utter rubbish. Take it back and shove it where
>>> the sun don't shine!!!
>>
>>
>> --> The pie is large and therefore 330 machines can only be one order
>> and serviced by a LARGE company. (EBuyer)
>
> You are a complete born again fool.
> The pie is large and therefore 330 machines is only one order
> and serviced by a LARGE company *eSys* you utter fool!!!
> Ebuyer is just one of many distributors.
>
>> Dell sells approximately 300 machines per MINUTE. That's every minute
>> of every hour, of every day multiplied by 365 days per year around the
>> clock 24/7.
>
> As I said, you are an utter fool.
> No small or medium company can make and service 330 machines on
> one order. Doesn't matter if other companies make up
> the ocean, eSys is STILL a LARGE company because the pie is very large.
>
>
>> Yesterday the web-site showed that EBuyer had 330 machines in stock.
>> Today that number is 309. So they sold 21 machines in 24 hours. Dell
>> will sell 21 machines in less than 5 seconds... 24 hours a day around
>> the clock 365 days a year.
>>
>> Compared to a giant like Dell a company like E-sys is nowhere to be
>> seen. This isn't a comentary on their quality, service or anything
>> about the company other than this "LARGE company" (your words not mine)
>> is nothing compared to the scale and volume that Dell operates at.
>
>
> As I said, you are an utter fool.
> No small or medium company can make and service 330 machines on
> one order. Doesn't matter if all the other companies make up
> the ocean to compare with, eSys is STILL a LARGE company
> because the pie is very large and they are very
> happily selling Linux machines.
Larry, this has taken the *exact* same route as our conversation elsewhere in
this thread. The quantity argument is void. Period. Market is driven by
demand. Order 10,000 units from EBuyer and the company will immediately
grow. Dell Computers used to be a small company in a Houston dorm too.
Speaking of which, no university buys 10,000 units at one time. It's too
risky. This is done in accordance with upgrade cycles of the clusters. It is
safer to test the water (get a sample of workstation) at any one point. I'll
join 7 in his argument that your observation is utter FUD.
Best wishes,
Roy
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