__/ [ BT ] on Sunday 24 September 2006 21:46 \__
>
> "Roy Schestowitz" <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:1714044.UYhfc1BRWo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> __/ [ BT ] on Sunday 24 September 2006 18:55 \__
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>> > "Roy Schestowitz" <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> > news:1356404.JHbyR2ov5B@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> __/ [ Paul ] on Saturday 23 September 2006 12:13 \__
>> >>
>> >> > On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:08:37 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
>> >> > <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>Could sniff user-agent and deliver different content
>> >> >
>> >> > Doesn't that come under black hat ?
>> >>
>> >> Maybe for the Web site (well, it's the Webmaster that risks
> banishment),
>> > but
>> >> not for the surfer. I make special efforts to never report my browser
> type
>> >> and O/S properly because there is too much discrimination and poor
>> >> development on the Web. Not to mention privacy invasion (e.g. Google
>> >> Analytics, which is a good reason to disable scripts). If a site is
>> > behaving
>> >> badly, I wish to be denied access and move on to more interesting
>> > content --
>> >> that which is managed by content creators that are better informed.
>> > *smile*
>> >
>> > Hi
>> > I was considering using G Analytics on my site , what's wrong with it ?
>>
>> In short, it is more intrusive than standard usual usage logs. It uses the
>> full capacity available that is available with JavaScript to gather a lot
> of
>> details. Then, the data is taken off-server (cross-site scripting) to
> reside
>> in Google's datacentre. Google is notorious for never flushing its data.
> It
>> guards it like a hawk, hoping that it would be handy one day (e.g. Google
>> Suggest and Google Trends). That's where all the 'fun' begins.
>>
>> Now, you see, the governments have got access to your surfing habits, as
> well
>> as plenty of other interesting information (e.g. screen resolution). If
> many
>> sites adopt Google Analytics and surfer naively let the XSS be run, then
> the
>> nanny country/company risk becomes a reality. If you look at some
> mainstream
>> news Web sites, you will find that they XSS with many sites that gather
> all
>> sorts of details about you, probably creating a profile. How that data
> gets
>> sold and exchanged, who knows? Be sure, it does. There's a whole industry
>> behind it. Let the server that you visit record your IP, request, etc.
> Don't
>> broadcast your cyberspace life to the entire world (think about AOL logs
>> that got leaked). Wait a few years and you'll see what happens. Don't be
>> part of that game either, by sending information about your valued
>> visitors/customers to third parties.
>>
>> Recent example: a Chinese man has just sued Yahoo. Why? Because Yahoo made
>> his E-mails available to the government, which had him jailed. You think
>> that's bad? We have only gotten started... and Yahoo showed little or no
>> regrets when facing a Federal court hearing (where _all_ major search
>> engines were harshly accused and criticised).
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Roy
>>
>> --
>
> So, what do you suggest , not to use it at all? Use my host company logs
> and stats instead ? With it I can't have so much good info on visitors.
> What about Statcounter? Any better?
> What are your suggestions in hiding my personal "surfing" and protection of
> the compay web site logs?
> Thanks
I personally use AWStats. It gives all the stuff I would bother checking in
the morning (no more than one minute) and a lot beyond this. Analytics
(Urchin) is good if you do SEM and need to investigate routes of navigation
using pertinent statistics.
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