Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
> ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Wednesday 20 June 2007 10:54 : \____
>
>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> ____/ Kier on Wednesday 20 June 2007 10:55 : \____
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:04:19 +0100, [H]omer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Verily I say unto thee, that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>>> | Linus: I think Tivoization is *good*...
>>>>>> `----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/17/303
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quite rude/blunt as usual
>>>>>
>>>>> Torvalds needs to step down IMHO. People like him should be working on
>>>>> proprietary software, since that is apparently what he prefers. He
>>>>> should stop poisoning the FOSS food chain with his genetically modified
>>>>> ideals.
>>>>
>>>> You're cracked.
>>>>
>>>> This is what he *actually* said.
>>>>
>>>> "Your whole idiotic argument misses the point:
>>>>
>>>> What Tivo did is *good* in my opinion!
>>>>
>>>> Can't you get that through your skull?
>>>>
>>>> They gave the software back! Be happy! They *followed* the rules. They
>>>> *followed* the tit-for-tat."
>>>
>>> He used some "Humpty-dumpty" and Alice and Wonderland analogy/fable to
>>> refer to the "hippies" (FSF) last week, which I still find disrespectful.
>>> He should never forget where he came from.
>>
>> Having his own opinions is not "disrespectful"
>> I too think that the FSF is sometimes out of their minds
>> And the GPL3 as it currently stands is proof of that. When Linus thinks that
>> it is not a good license, he is certainly entitled to have that opinion and
>> to say it. You don't have to agree, but that does not make his opinion
>> worse than yours
>> And I don't think that he has forgotten "where he came from". It is just
>> that he owes the FSF nothing at all
>
>
> True. Fair points.
Except for the whole of the GNU tool chain which is used to create
modern linux distros, as well as the GPL itself, which is the reason why
Linux has been so successful when compared with the BSDs.
Personally, I would say that referring to the FSF in the way reported
above is rather unpleasant, clearly designed to undermine their position
without particularly saying why. He is entitled to his opinion, of
course, but so am I, and I believe that such attacks are not worthy of
someone of his stature.
>
>
>>> GNU might be nowhere without
>>> Linux, but without GNU, Linus had no chance. 15% of Debian is GNU. Linux
>>> is only 3%.
>>
>> Well, use the precious 15% then without the kernel
>> BTW, that still makes 82% non-kernel, non-GNU code
>
>
> Yes. That's the code that can run in Mac OS/Windows/whatever as well. Quite
> smoothly even...
Except you can't run without GNU code, or at least, it would be very
difficult. You have to lose libc, for a start.
>
>
>>> Without Linus, GNU would have gotten Hurd off the ground more
>>> quickly.
>>
>> It is now his wrondoing that the writers of "The Hurd" have proven to be not
>> competent enough?
>
>
> I don't know the histort of Hurd (e.g. when it started, how quickly it
> developed), but if Linux became popular at the early stage, then that may
> explain the lack of need for Hurd and therefore the lack of interest in
> developing it. I happen to know the guy who was the first to combine Linux and
> GNU utilities, making it the first real distribution, available from
> Manchester Computing's FTP servers. I don't know if Hurd existed at the time
> (Wikipedia will probably have some answers).
The hurd has failed to get the required mindshare, and it is very likely
that this is in part due to the success of the Linux kernel. Whether
the Hurd would have been more successful had linux not existed is not
provable either way, of course, but it is certain that there would have
been more suitably qualified developers available.
>
>
>>> It's about momentum. Just look at *BSDs...
>>>
>>
>> Well, feel free to use the Hurd or BSD then
>> You will certainly find all the functionality of linux then, do you?
>
>
> Not quite. :-) That's the point. On the face of it, OpenSolaris faces an uphill
> battle as well, but at least they try... now with Murdock, free training
> courses (spotted this earlier today), payments to developers, free development
> kits/distros sent to people's home.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I admire Linus Torvalds. I just see him insulting a lot of
> people. The GNOME incident was a very nasty example.
>
He fails to understand why GPLV3 is important, but then, so does Peter
K.
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