Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
High Plains Thumper wrote:
Sun hasn't committed to supporting ODF either? Erik is
spouting his gobshite as usual:
http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/index.xml
I don't see anywhere in that link where Sun guarantees they
will completely conform to ODF, and continue to do so in
perpetuity.
That's what ODF proponents are expecting from Microsoft. Why
don't they hold Sun to the same standard for ODF?
[irrelevant quote tha has nothing to do with a formal
statement of committment snipped]
Relevant redacted quote that has a lot to do with commitment
reinstated:
[quote] Sun ODF Plugin 1.1 for Microsoft Office Available
Now as a Free Download
Microsoft Office users can now import and export to Open
Document Format (ODF).
The Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office gives users of
Microsoft Word, Excel and Powerpoint the ability to read,
edit and save to the ISO-standard Open Document Format. The
ODF Plugin is available as a free download from the Sun
Download Center (SDLC).
The Plugin is easy to setup and use, the conversion happens
transparently and the additional memory footprint is
minimal. Microsoft Office users now can have seamless
two-way conversion of Microsoft Office documents to and from
Open Document. The ODF Plugin runs on Microsoft Windows and
is available in 17 different languages. [/quote]
The fact that Sun created an ODF plugin for Microsoft is an
indication of its commitment. OTOH, Microsoft has shown its
usual anticompetitive behaviour:
http://fussnotes.typepad.com/plexnex/2007/08/microsoft-break.html
[quote]
Sun is having trouble because Microsoft is breaking
interoperability deliberately through hi-jinks with the
Dynamic-Link Libraries ("dll") in Windows.
From Sun's Malte Timmermann's blog...
Q: Why doesn't it support Office 2007?
A: Well, basically, it does, but there is an issue in Word's
2007 Filter API handling. You can save to ODF, but when you try
to open ODF, Word ignores the installed filters and tries to open
with it's own filters. Of course Word can't, so you get an error
message "The Office Open XML file <name> cannot be opened because
there are problems with the content". This even happens if you
explicitly select the ODF filter! I hope Microsoft will fix this
issue with the next service pack. If not, we will work around
this bug by doing the same kind of integration like in PowerPoint
and Excel.
As marbux says, "Welcome to dll Hell!"
Microsoft's Brian Jones innocently says 'Gee I can't imagine how
that's happening?'
You're making me laugh, Microsoft.
You went to the DoJ for this behavior in Netscape. This is going
to add to your fines in Europe. We know how you're doing it;
we're going to tell on you.
[/quote]
Obviously, Microsoft is consistent with its predatory,
anti-competitive character.
Then there will never be a non-MS 100% implementation of
OOXML since MS maintains copyright on bits required by
parts of it. Hell, with that definition of yours, there
will probably never be a 100% implemention of OOXML even
from MS.
Again, Erik is spouting more gobshite. His argument is like
.rtf files created by Microsoft Write (Wordpad) are not a
100% Word implementation, because it does not support 100%
of Word's features. Issue is compatibility. One does not
have to implement 100% of the standard to be compliant with
the standard.
Bullshit. Roy is claiming that because an app doesn't support
100% of OOXML then it doesn't count as an implementation,
therefore, he claims, there are 0 implementations (because
office hasn't yet been patched to match the changes that have
occured during ECMA and ISO standardization)
Hung up on Roy, eh? You slinked away from my point. That is a
binary condition, is it not?
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HPT
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