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____/ Mark Kent on Monday 24 November 2008 07:58 : \____
> William Poaster <wp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
>> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:50:11 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
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>>> ____/ Mark Kent on Wednesday 05 November 2008 09:47 : \____
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>>>> High Plains Thumper <highplainsthumper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
>>>>> Homer wrote:
>>>>>> Verily I say unto thee, that High Plains Thumper spake thusly:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Homer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1]: Certain off-charter, abusive, anti-Linux or
>>>>>>>> pro-Microsoft threads will be dropped, depending on their
>>>>>>>> severity, and hence not included in the stats, which are
>>>>>>>> provided by me as a measure of advocacy, not as a means of
>>>>>>>> spreading the Trolls' lies and malice even further.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just think Homer, if we had a
>>>>>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated group, you would not have
>>>>>>> to produce t[r]oll free stats. The trolls would be
>>>>>>> moderated out. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not naive enough to think that a group like COLA[M] won't
>>>>>> attract Trolls, especially given Microsoft's documented
>>>>>> intentions in that regard ("Evangelism is War!"). And as
>>>>>> others have pointed out COLA is more like a bar than some
>>>>>> private club ("Is this the right room for an argument?"),
>>>>>> which serves as a honey pot to attract all the kooks and
>>>>>> shills that would otherwise infest other Linux groups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That doesn't mean I have to read any of their putrid garbage
>>>>>> tho', and it certainly doesn't mean I have to propagate it in
>>>>>> the stats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I've said before, I would no more consider including the
>>>>>> Trolls crap in the stats than any other spam. It's not
>>>>>> advocacy. Period.
>>>>>
>>>>> Homer, of course it isn't. However, I have seen enough of:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>>>>>
>>>>> [quote]
>>>>> 7.1 Disinformation
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> The argument that cola protects the rest of the internet is fine in
>>>> principle, but quite clearly, it doesn't work. Take a look at digg,
>>>> slashdot, linux today, etc. etc. They're all infested with the same
>>>> trolls which operate here, or variations thereof.
>>>>
>>>> We're dealing here with people with no morals, sociopathic people.
>>>> Erik, Timmy, Bill Weisg, Gary Stewart etc. etc. have never had any
>>>> intention of abiding by this group's charter and/or FAQ. This is what
>>>> sociopaths do... they will do this whether cola exists or not, because
>>>> it's in their nature to be so.
>>>
>>> If they get ejected from COLA, they'll harass other sites/forums (they
>>> already do this). Wasn't COLA created to keep those creatures away from
>>> technical NGs?
>>
>> As Mark pointed out, they're *already* doing this.
>> Smith, Quack, Flatfish & others are, or have been, *already* posting (or
>> crossposting into) in tech groups (Ubuntu for one). So in some respects,
>> COLA ain't working...
>> Flatfish used his usual MO, too. All nice & friendly, then the usual crap
>> began to creep in. Many quickly binned him.
>>
>
> That was rather my point. Further to that, I believe that cola is
> providing a function unimaginably more important than merely being a
> honey-pot for those sociopaths. Linux is rapidly en-route to being the
> most important software ever written in terms of its human impact, the
> GPL being the most important copyright statement ever made for the same
> reasons.
>
> The need for quality, well-researched and considered guidance and
> opinion in these areas has never been greater; most people of
> reasonable intellectual capability will have developed a healthy
> distrust of corporate websites, and the internet yet provides an
> uncontrolled channel to information streams, although the Australian
> government is leading the way in putting a stop to that at the moment,
> and no doubt, Sarkozy will be next on that particular bandwagon.
>
> These issues are far more important than being a honey pot for low-level
> criminals and sociopaths.
I think he has already banned lookalike voodoo dolls (yes, that's how much
people hate him).
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~~ Best of wishes
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