George Barca wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:41:58 +1100, Terry Porter
> <linux-2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>>What type of compensation are you referring to?
>
> Being compensated if I write a book rather than people feeling
> they can freely copy it and give it to their friends for example.
>
>>> I don't believe in giving stuff away unless every single entity
>>> is giving stuff away and that will never happen.
>>
>>There are plenty of people giving stuff away right now. Richard Stallman
>>gave away GCC. 10s of thousands of GPL coders have given away their code,
>>including myself.
>
> Bad choice of words. What I meant was that the only way the give
> it all away free system works is if everyone is doing it.
> Look at free software for example.
> Some person sits at home nights and weekends writing a CD burning
> program and then gives away the source for others to use. Now
> Dell comes along and packages it as part of pre-installed Linux
> on a system and makes a profit.
Free Software allows it, according to the GPL, and RMS can see a *lot*
further than me, so I accept it.
> I personally think the person is an idiot and if the program was
> good enough he should protect it and sell it commercially.
Then it won't be Free Software any more ????
> However if everyone was just using the program and giving it
> away, like the author did, then it wouldn't matter.
> The problem arises when some make money off the work of others.
I feel that it's incorrect to only look at the lowest common demoninator,
because there will always be people who will adore money and profit above
all else. They will divert rivers to sell the water, erect wire fences to
stop people eating the fruit that grows naturally on the land. If they
could stop the rain to suit their need for money, they would.
Free Software is Free to *everyone*, like the rain, and must remain so.
>
>>We did so willingly, and were happy to do so. Before I gave my code away,
>>(under the GPL) I already felt compensated.
You didn't ask why that was George ?
You don't by any chance have a brother named Hamil" ?
>>
>>> I don't believe in patenting a keystroke but yet I do believe
>>> that if a person comes up with a new method of calculating Pi to
>>> the billionth decimal place, he should be compensated by anyone
>>> who uses his method commercially.
>>>
>>> Basically I believe that if a person plows, sows seeds,
>>> cultivates the land and so forth he should be entitled to reap
>>> the benefits and he should be protected from others trying to
>>> worm their way into his action.
>>>
>>> One thing I find disturbing about the Linux/OSS community is that
>>> their seems to be a sub-group of activists that for some odd
>>> reason feel they are entitled to everything for free.
>>
>>Which sub-group of activists are you referring to ?
>
> People who can't understand that patents and copyrights and other
> forms of protection exist for a reason and that reason is to
> ensure that the work that was put into the product is paid for in
> some fashion.
>
>
>>> In general the common denominator with these people is that they
>>> have done zero to contribute and often are the first to cry foul
>>> when their insignificant work may be compromised.
>>
>>Who for instance ?
>
> Nobody in particular but if you look at Linux blogs and so forth
> you will find these freedom fighters who are often using the very
> software they loath by day and advocating the use of Linux and
> free software by night. Of course they are entitled to give their
> work away if they wish.
>
>>>
>>> It seems to me that the OSS community in general is chock full of
>>> bitter people who expect others to give their works away but yet
>>> won't give their own works away.
>>
>>Maybe, but the GPL community is not.
>>
>>> As an example, how many people here use or program Windows by day
>>> and advocate Linux by night?
>>
>>I can't see how that is relevant. Many here are forced to use Windows in
>>their day jobs, they have no choice.
>
> True but when you read about it in a Linux advocacy group it kind
> of sours the message in my opinion.
But not everyone in COLA is unemployed like Clogwog, many have senior jobs
as engineers or software coders etc, and work for companies who have
Windows only policies. They try and change them, but must also abide by
them.
I don't see how their Linux advocacy is soured in any way. You seem to be
denouncing slaves for attending 'free the slaves' meetings after their
daily slavery work :)
>
>>I'll never be interested in your code if it's not GPL or Linux.
>
> And as a Linux advocate, that is how it should be!
I'm a lucky person though, being *totally* 100% Windows free as I work for
myself.
When customers send me Windows docs, I send them this email:-
Hi,
Thank you for your order, I don't use Microsoft software and I cannot read
this closed proprietary format. Can you please resubmit in any of the
following (open) formats ?
1) Pdf (Adobe Portable Document Format)
2) Ps (Adobe PostScript)
3) Html (Hypertext Markup Language)
4) ODF (OpenDocument Format (ODF) is an ISO standard)
5) Png (Portable Network Graphics)
6) JPG
If they cant be bothered resending, I can't be bothered filling their order,
but so far, everyone I have asked, has managed.
> George Barca
> georgebarca1981@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
--
If we wish to reduce our ignorance, there are people we will
indeed listen to. Trolls are not among those people, as trolls, more or
less by definition, *promote* ignorance.
Kelsey Bjarnason, C.O.L.A. 2008
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