Roy Schestowitz wrote:
Apologies for the top post, personal opinion is that it is long overdue to
organise a royal shafting of micoshaft across ALL developer platforms.
Micoshaft fsck wits ARE THE NUMBRE ONE cause of platform incompatibilities
and lost revenue causes that lead to missed opportunities for businesses
everywhere.
What do coders and developer work for? Best results, best magic, best
of everything that is best. But not micoshaft!
The problem that is micoshaft will not go away until something is done
about it.
And the evidence for their crap is spilt all over the Comes v Micoshaft
court documents. Micoshaft fsck wits and marketing plops have no interest
in cross platform compatibility but will lie and lie about it with
blessing from top management and resort to dishonesty when claiming its all
in the past; and they intend fully to carry on doing this until they drop
dead - so its time to erase micoshaft support from every product and make
Linux and open source the only things that interoperate with standards and
open data formats. Intentionally. Conciously eliminate micoshaft products
and compatibility off of every platform.
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> Microsoft manager: "Screw Sun, cross-platform will never work. Let's move
> on and steal the Java language."
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> Nice company...
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> No wonder Miguel et al love them so much.
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> From: Russ Arun
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 6:13 PM
> To: Prashant Sridharan
> Subject: RE: More Questions about ADO in java...
>
> Cross platform is a red herring that is not worth spending time on. Based
> all the numbers we see it is interestingly more irrelevant now than it was
> 5 years ago when I joined MS.
>
> However we need to coopt the best lessons from Java into Windows.
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> From: Prashant Sridharan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 6:07 PM
> To: Russ Arun
> Subhect: RE: More Questions about ADO in java...
>
> If we, as a company, are interested in promoting Windows, why bother with
> AFC? In my own opinion (apart from Ironwood, J/Direct, or any of the other
> politically-charged topics now), we are horribly inconsistent in this
> regard.
>
> Screw Sun, cross-platform will never work. Let's move on and steal the
> Java language.
>
> That said, have we ever taken a look at how long it would take Microsoft
> to
> build a cross-platform Java that did work? Naturally, we would never do
> it, but it would give us some idea of how much time we have to work with
> in killing Sun's Java.
>
> Prashant Sridharan
> Visual J++ Product Manager
> preshant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> From: Russ Arun
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 5:29 PM
> To: Preshant Sridharan
> Subhect: RE: More Questions about ADO in java...
>
> It is in Sun's interest to be cross platform. NT is eating share fast.
> So
> they are scrambling to find something and Java is their best hope. But
> for Java they would be in trouble.
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> From: Preshant Sridharan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 5:25 PM
> To: Russ Arun
> Subject: RE: More Questions about ADO in java...
>
> Agreed on x-plat. Screw Sun.
>
> Of course, you and I probably have some old Sun buddies that would think
> otherwise :-)
>
> Prashant Sridharan
> Visual J++ Product Manager
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> From: Russ Arun
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 5:23 PM
> To: Prashant Sridharan
> Subhect: RE: More Questions about ADO in java...
>
> Don't care about cross platform in future - pretense or otherwise. AFC is
> the closest to this at this point.
>
> Yes - we are shipping the Microsoft JDBC-ODBC bridge that came from
> Intersolv and supports JDBC.
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> From: Prashant Sridharan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 5:12 PM
> To: Russ Arun
> Subject: RE: More Questions about ADO in java...
>
> Russ,
>
> I am now joining in this thread, so forgive the silly question. Are we
> not shipping JDBC at all with the SDK 2.0?
>
> Do we have any pretense of cross-platform left? ;-)
>
> Prashant Sridharan
> Visual J++ Product Manager
> preshant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> (425) 703-4682
> http://www.mediacity.com/-heath
>
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Russ Arun
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 5:09 PM
> To: Java Discussion Alias: Craig Longman (Excell Data Corporation)
> Subject: RE: More Questions about ADO in java...
>
> In theory having both JDBC (the deprecated one) and MSJDBC (the Microsoft
> JDBC-ODBC bridge) is OK, but you will have spurious classes that I would
> worry about you relying on.
>
> JDBC can be rid off by deleting JDBC.zip and any other muck should clear
> itself as part of the VM install.
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> From: Craig Longman (Excell Data Corporation)
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 4:59 PM
> To: Java Discussion Alias
> Subject: RE: More Questions about ADO in java...
>
>>in the words of 'Russ Arun'
>>* JDBC.zip is not being shipped - so you relying on it is not good
>
> Ahh. I just looked over the docs again, and I must admit I failed to
> notice
> the 'ms' in front of the jdbc.exe file to run. After running that, I get
> the Intersolv stuff installed just great, and everything is running fine.
>
> Now if I can just figure out why multiple result sets in a single
> statement are not working correctly...
>
> Does anyone know where I can report bugs on the jdbc-odbc bridge?
>
>> - You might want to uninstall your VM and install the latest VM or IE
>
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> of us to look forward to, no doubt.
>
>>* There are examples in the SDK that might help you
>
> Aside from the SimpleSelect.java that was changed to use MSs new naming
> conventions before they had the Intersolv which has the same naming
> conventions and can now use the standard sample, I couldn't find anything
> in the samples that helped in any way what-so-ever.
>
> Cheers, and thanks for the help.
>
> CraigL->Thx():
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