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Re: KDE Distros Poll

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____/ Gregory Shearman on Wednesday 24 Aug 2011 09:27 : \____

> On 2011-08-24, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> ____/ Gregory Shearman on Wednesday 24 Aug 2011 02:17 : \____
>>> On 2011-08-23, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> ____/ Homer on Tuesday 23 Aug 2011 13:06 : \____
>>>>> Verily I say unto thee that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:
>>>>> No, but there's no particular disadvantage to it either, which is what
>>>>> this poll seems to be implying.
>>>>> OTOH, Gentoo has advantages not directly related to KDE, such as speed,
>>>>> efficiency and flexibility. The problem is few understand these
>>>>> advantages, because few have actually tried it.
>>>> I don't like to compile programs that I can get from repos
>>>> , not just because of speed.
>>> You don't compile them, *portage* does it all automatically for you.
>>> You want amarok? Then:
>>> GentooPenguin# emerge amarok
>>> Dead simple. Everything (including gentoo patches) is handled
>>> automatically.
>>> Now, those applications you get from your repositories... if they have
>>> database support compiled into them, then they've got *all* database
>>> support compiled in. On gentoo, with one addition to the USE flags in
>>> /etc/make.conf you can make sure that *EVERY* application only builds
>>> database support for YOUR choice of database server... my choice is
>>> postgresql and I don't like mysql at all therefore:
>>> GentooPenguin$ grep USE /etc/make.conf
>>> USE="mmx sse sse2 kde -mysql -gnome -hal ipv6 win32codecs qt4 postgres
>>> perl unicode dbus udev dvd alsa cdr qt3support X opengl sql svg webkit
>>> png mng dri kpathsea jpeg cups bash-completion"
>>> See the *-mysql*? It stops the compilation of any support for mysql in
>>> *any* application on my system.
>>> Gentoo is about flexibility. It also doesn't do stuff "behind your
>>> back". You want support for some feature? You add it yourself.
>>> Gentoo is one of the easiest Linux distributions I've ever had to
>>> configure. This is because of the extensive documentation.
>> I know how emerge works, but what if it doesn't compile correctly?
> By your answer, I 'd say that you don't know how emerge works. If it
> doesn't compile then you've uncovered a gentoo bug. Check out
> bugs.gentoo.org.
> Do you know any gentooers? Ask them how many times a package "doesn't
> compile correctly". Not very bloody often. It *does* happen every now
> and then but there's an *excellent* community available to help. Have a
> look at the mailing list/newsgroup linux.gentoo.user... When has it last
> happened to me? I don't know... usually though, you read the error
> messages and they will give you the clue. The usual reason for failure
> is the requirement for a "USE" flag to be set. A simple edit of either
> your global /etc/make.conf or one of the package specific files in
> /etc/portage/package.use. All gentooers know this.
> Gentoo is for experienced Linux admins. Read the documentation and you
> won't get into trouble.
>> Are there binary builds too?
> For some of the bigger packages, yes. I never use them. Compilation is
> foolproof.

I have friends who dumped Gentoo for Debian after it had taken them a long
time to read up the documentation. That's why I'm thinking that perhaps
Sabayon (which Tim uses happily) is the only form of Gentoo that would
be simple for any lazy user to be using.

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