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Re: Code of Conduct complaint about Linus's comments at DC14

On 2014-09-08 16:34:03, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> On 09/04/2014 08:52 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:29:32 +0100, Ian Jackson
>> <ijackson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Debian should make a public statement that Linus will not be welcome
>>> at Debian events in future.
>>> Also, Debian owes the FSF an apology.  That apology should be at least
>>> as public as the offence.
>> This is simply absolutely ridiculous. I can't think about a better way
>> to make Debian the laughing stock of the entire Linux world by using
>> LINUS for crying out loud as the first publicly visible "victim" of
>> our CoC.
> Exactly. Can you people please go back and do some useful work on Jessie instead
> of discussing Linus' opinions?

I'd love people to stop tearing their shirts out about this at this
point - the conversation was going pretty well between the concerned
parties before these kind of comments came in. I happen to believe that
Ian does plenty of excellent work on Debian as it is, and I hope this
incident will not keep him away from the community.

> People should be free to express their opinions in a free world.

It's fascinating that people that are so adamant about defending freedom
of speech end up so quickly telling people to stop questionning
someone's opinion simply because that opinion may be considered
offensive and boy, do we want to defend freedom of speech of in *those*

It goes two ways - freedom of speech probably includes the right to
question freedom of speech itself. No?

> Please move to a random non-democratic country (and project) of
> your choice if you don't like that.

I am not sure who you are talking to at this point, but since you talk
about "you people", I feel addressed here so I will respond:

No. I'm fine in the country and project i'm in right now, thank you very
much. And as far as I know, freedom of speech without bounds is not
exactly part of our social contract in the project here...

Besides, if i move to a "non-democratic country", it will probably be
exactly to defend freedom of speech. And lookahere, it's what I do in my
day job, in Canada, of all places.



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