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Re: Sleep/Awake Clash

Hi Roy-

Fascinating! I know that the best way to capture as much as possible of your nighttime thoughts/dreams/etc is to record them the moment you are able to shift from asleep to even remotely partway awake. I suggest to my patients that the moment they can- before they lift their head from the pillow and even before the morning dash to the bathroom- to record every detail they can remember- thought, visuals, moods, feelings- everything- even if they're non-sensical scraps of a thought.

Using a tape recorder so the recording doesn't have to deal with slowing down to the speed of writing or the cognitive task of turning things into written words. It seems like it might be possible to shift that process of recording earlier and earlier in the sleep-moving-toward-awakening phase.

Remembering bits and pieces- and sitting with them rather than working hard to "understand" them- might again take them out of a cognitive remembering into a more flowing knowing that might result in a fuller
connection returning.

You use a lot of judgements about your musings at night- not valid, interesting, useless, bad sleep dream tendency, etc. A thought/idea is just that- a thought or idea. Obviously, you'd like to be able to retain these- so they're important just because of that.

But you asked if this a sleep disorder? Oh, probably not according to what is generally focussed on here. People may or may not feel this is an appropriate place to discuss these concerns. But it's important to you and since people here deal with sleep issues, maybe you'll get some helpful responses. However, you may be able to get more from groups that deal with things like dreams and there must be a group re: lucid dreaming.

What a wonderful idea to find a way to record from within your dreams!!!


Roy Schestowitz wrote:

I am sometimes entertained rather than be intimidated by odd phenomena that
occur when I sleep. I once enquired about sleep paralysis in this group and
this turned out to be a very common phenomenon, which was a valuable lesson
to learn. Here I have a more psychologically (as opposed to neuro-physical)
issue that I would like to share. I hope it will at least be intersting to
read. It is not trivial for me to judge if it falls under the heading
"sleep disorder".

I may have developed a bad sleep/dream tendency which repeats itself quite
often. I occasionally accumulate some ideas while asleep (later stages of
sleep I ought to add) or form some opinion which I strongly want to be
accessible to me (i.e. recorded) when I wake up. While asleep it's hard to
identify what is a valid or an intersting fact, but nonetheless I sometimes
want to keep it. Again I emphasise, this typically happens towards the
later hours of sleep so by the time I wake up I get disappointed that the
information was lost although I can recall fragments of it.

I am sometimes aware of the fact that I am asleep. Often I realise that what
I tried to remember was useless and not recoverable, yet still I suffer
from loss of what I believe to have been useful knowledge. What gives?
Should I wake up earlier and rid myself from the 'luxury' hours? Am I stuck
in a midst of consciousness and unconsciousness?

Here is a /fuzzy/ paragraph referring to my thoughts while asleep. Last
night I thought I had figured out a way of 'recording' information. Knowing
that I had a bunch of ideas while asleep and knowing that I could not keep
them when waking up (based on experience), I had this odd idea of typing
them on my Palm (while asleep) and synchronising with the desktop when I'm
awake. These ridiculous thoughts interfere with sleep as you can probably
imagine. Needless to say, that did not work either *smile*. Computers,
future prospects and something about a business were the theme of last
night's thoughts. Often it's related to newsgroups or my opinion on
something in information technology. Whether the stem of these thoughts is
content greed or information overload, who knows? Is it disappointment due
to thinking without being able to act upon the thought? Warning signs might
be vivid dreams with GUI's and/or message composition (yes, in the actual
dream) - a message to later 'disappear' for obvious reasons.

Any opinions or advice?


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