yttrx@xxxxxxxxx (yttrx) wrote:
> > yes, correct. OS9 and before was written by people that have long left
> > Apple. That era that died 6 years ago, when Apple bought NeXT it really
> > became NeXT, all of the old Apple is long gone.
>
> And that's my point. The qualities of apple's programming and design staff
> that insured an unstable and otherwise crappy operating system are gone, and
> in are people who really know what the hell theyre doing, being led by a
> person who really knows what HES doing.
well, i don't think anyone considered OS9 and before as "crappy", it was
simply outdated being 20 years old... Millions of people use OS9 and
before with great success today... sure it's no longer being developed
but that's not a problem. It's still a stable, powerful OS that runs on
30 million machines.
> I think OSX is a massive evolutionary leap from OS9, and I think you'd
> be very hard pressed to find anyone to argue against that. I remember
> saving my work in photoshop manually every few minutes out of habit--because
> that one more mouseclick could have meant the end of the OS itself at
> any moment. I then admittedly found a little piece of software, I think
> it was called "macsbug" that opened up a command line debugger which, if
> you read up on it, you could use to actually save the OS from going down
> at that instant so you could save what you were doing with little or no
> warning.
well, the 2 aren't related in terms of graphics capability. but yes, if
you didn't clean up your system once a year or so, you could get crashes.
> But even that was a pain in the ass, and it sucked, particularly to have
> to run on a powermac that I'd just spent 6,000 USD on.
>
> OSX is prettier, at least ten orders of magnitude more stable, much, much
> more useful, and I believe is a jewel in Apple's crown on the order of
> the very first Macintosh.
yes, the old MacOS was never designed to last for 22 years, 10 maybe...
but the Copland project was supposed to circumvent the old OS in about
1996, but it never happen, NeXT was bought and that's what every new Mac
users uses today.
> And dont forget, that's coming from a guy who really, really likes linux
> quite a lot, and uses it quite happily every day.
>
> >> Now, that said, I'm not planning on buying an Apple machine for a while
> >> yet, and when I do it's going to be a laptop. I figure two to three years
> >> from now is good enough for them to get the majority of the annoying bugs
> >> worked out of their hardware/software combinations. By the time I buy
> >> one, I'd like exploding batteries and glopped-on thermal paste to be a
> >> thing of the past.
> >
> > those are simple manufacturing issues of early production runs, they
> > really aren't any "annoying bugs" in the current hardware. apple played
> > it safe and didn't redesign the hardware when they switch over to intel,
> > sure the logicboard and some components changed, but the overall
> > structure of the powerbook/macbook pro (imac/powermac/macpro/macmini)
> > has remained the same. if you are considering the new macbook that's a
> > bit of a different story, but that's the only machine that is new to the
> > product line for several years.
> >
>
> I realize that. I understand the hardware itself is stable and well
> tested. Apple simply has quite a lot to work out in terms of assembly.
those problems were solved months ago and only affected a small number
of machines... every manufactured product goes through similar issues
with the ramp.
> I mean, that thermal paste fiasco was pretty embarrassing for them.
> It was very clear that there were no instructions on its application
> given to the assemblers, and there's just no excuse at all for that.
Well, the thermal paste issue wasn't that big of deal, that's a
procedural issue, not a design one. you need to keep in mind, the Web
amplifies the problem, only a few 1000 machines had this issue.
MacBook Pro service manual shows "0.2-0.3cc" of thermal grease should be
applied to all three chip mating surfaces, it turns out... it should be
a bit less than that. Easy to fix and was resolved long ago.
> Anyhow, I'll surely by an Apple machine, it will most likely be a
> laptop, and it'll be in about three years, once the quad-cores start
> becoming common and they've figured out the exploding battery/thermal
> paste gloop issues.
Apple didn't have the exploding battery problem (thank god!) sony
cleared them of it yesterday. and the thermal issue didn't affect that
many machines, so all in all it was a good rollout. but personally, I as
you... would wait for the quad cores or the next rev before I'd jump in.
rumors are strong for a Sept 5th announcement.
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