Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
> ____/ Mark Kent on Tuesday 07 August 2007 09:29 : \____
>
>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
>>> ____/ Mark Kent on Monday 06 August 2007 10:27 : \____
>>>
>>>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
>>>>> ____/ 7 on Sunday 05 August 2007 01:48 : \____
>>>>>
>>>>>> asstroturfer Peter Köhlmann wrote on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Saturday 04 August 2007 17:51 : \____
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark Kent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
>>>>>>>>>>> 64-bit PCs: Drivers wanted
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>>>>>>>>| Microsoft is requiring those device manufacturers to develop 64-bit
>>>>>>>>>>>| drivers if they want their devices to work with the 64-bit edition
>>>>>>>>>>>| of Windows Vista, in an effort to ensure that device drivers are
>>>>>>>>>>>| written to proper standards.
>>>>>>>>>>> `----
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-6200517.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://s58.photobucket.com/albums/g262
>>>>>> Clyzer/?action=view¤t=Untitled.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The consequences of closed source. More here:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And yet, so many people here, in cola, are arguing that proprietary
>>>>>>>>>> drivers are a good thing, even in Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You may now point to the URLs/Msg-IDs of those posts, Mark Hadron
>>>>>>>>> It is amazing how similar your lies are to Hadron Quarks lunacy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jusat to sum it up for the mentally challenged (like you are an
>>>>>>>>> extreme example), it was argued that *not* having any drivers at all,
>>>>>>>>> as the GPL3 would cause, is a "bad thing".
>>>>>>>>> After all, you can't force a vendor to open-source his drivers. The
>>>>>>>>> only, and deserved, answer would be "fuck you, idiot"
>>>>>>>>> The GPL3 would make the situation even worse. *Much* worse
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> < snip >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why? Because of Tivoization? If I buy a piece of hardware, I can issue
>>>>>>>> any command and have the device obey it. Why should a device control
>>>>>>>> the user? Sounds like nanny device for spooks. If such a device exists,
>>>>>>>> I do not want it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are free to point to the URL which explains where Tivo does not
>>>>>>> release source code
>>>>>>> They *do* release the source. The obey GPL2 to the point
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are a dumb fsck! Learn to read!!!
>>>>>> Roy said his device won't obey the commands issued to it.
>>>>>> Dumb fucks like you should explain why when you have source code the
>>>>>> device refuses to communicate with its creators.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While you are at it, please explain how the Tivo "controls the user".
>>>>>>> I am certain it is with that evil "GPL2 mind boggling device"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You dumb fsck flat foot sock maintainers are all alike.
>>>>>> Idiots to the core.
>>>>>> You explain how you are not being controlled when your
>>>>>> device doesn't obey you its creator, but listens to commands
>>>>>> sent by a corporation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dude, stop cursing Peter. What's the matter with you?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you take a look at the abuse Peter K is shovelling at me?
>>>> It's further up in the thread, and is quite unjustifiable. If you're
>>>> going to criticise 7, then you should be consistent about it. Peter is
>>>> at least as bad.
>>>
>>> He is at least polite. Without manner, any forum becomes rubbish and then
>>> laughed at. It's also unpleasant for observers, not just those being cursed.
>>>
>>
>> So comparing me with Quark, telling me I'm lieing and that I'm mentally
>> challenged is polite? Hmm, I wonder what you'd consider to be impolite
>> :-))
>
> Sorry, I have not followed this threat carefully, so there must be plenty that
> I have not seen (the Big Picture).
>
One of Peter's great failings is that he uses the "discredit the debater"
technique consistently. Like many of our trolls, he aims to unsettle by
insult, rather than to discuss. That's not something I'm interested in.
Chrisv is doing something similar, but in his case, like waterskidoo, he's
going for semantics, again, what's the point? Such discussions descend
into drivel in no time flat, as they have no real content. I'd not seen
the term "cherry picking" in this group until waterskidoo turned up,
but she used to it try to discredit my facts, since they didn't fit
her own view of the world, and chris picked it up almost immediately.
It's a debating technique, that's all, and like so many of them, is
beloved of politicians who try to confuse and fool their audiences.
I expect we'll now see debate move away from proving things using fact,
and go to the political approach where you find how many people agree
with you as justification for your position; again, waterskidoo seemed
to assume that I was doing this by referring to a "choir" which was
"disappearing". Well, I don't think there's ever been a choir in cola,
and I certainly have *never* found myself in majority agreement in any
environment I've ever been it. It's the price you pay for looking to do
things differently, for looking to improve, find better ways, and also,
it's the price you pay for having principles.
I notice, since Kier responded to him (I've kfiled kier again for this),
that Quark is once again becoming obsessed with my children. This is
the same kind of approach used against Richard Stallman, indeed, the
same approach using by anyone when trying to rally a "choir" against the
"heretic".
Well, yes, I agree, I *am* the _heretic_. I am principled. I can see,
easily, why having binary-only components in the middle of a system
stack where there are no proper standards will inevitably lead to
lock-in. I can see that a linux system built in this way is little or
no better than a Windows one, and that the more this happens, the worse
this problem will become.
I *am* the _heretic_; I am prepared to manage, to cope with, to use the
free offerings in order to avoid such lock-in.
I *am* the heretic; I am not fooled by the argument that there is
"magic" in binary drivers, or that my life will be changed or improved
through secret drugs only available through a particular dealer, and
only on his/her terms.
I *am* the heretic; I will not accept an argument that "only 5% of
people use this platform, so we can ignore it".
I *am* the heretic; I can see that normal technical progress and
commoditisation will /inevitably/ bring competition into all types of
capability; that there is nothing special or magical about one or other
type of peripheral.
I *am* the heretic; I can see that technical progress is actually quite
slow, that real breakthroughs are rare, that science is mostly about
thinking.
I *am* the heretic, I'm quite disgusted with the number of people here
who turn out to be quite happy to see others locked-out of their
platforms, so long as /they/ get what they want.
I *am* the heretic; I'm appalled to see minority interests described as
"cherry picking".
I *am* the heretic; I do not lie, my positions are carefully
considered, and I speak only what I believe to be the truth, no matter
what pressure is brought.
I *am* the heretic; in another age, I would've been tortured to death at
worst, or at best, house-arrested to death (eg., copernicus), by the
opportunistic politicians, those who really did play to the very real
choir, for my principles.
I *am* the heretic; I can see the difference between belief and faith,
those things which do not require and even avoid proof, compared with
those things which are the product of rational thinking, and require
rational analysis.
I *am* the heretic; I can see that economics, politics, science and
technology are inextricably linked.
I *am* the heretic; I take a position designed to be good for everyone,
not just good for me. That position is incomprehensible, apparently, to
those with "flexible" principles.
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