After takin' a swig o' grog, Kelsey Bjarnason belched out this bit o' wisdom:
> [snips]
>
> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:35:02 -0500, Linonut wrote:
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>>> If I'm using an image editing app, the editing tools are *always* where I
>>> can see 'em and get at 'em... or it's not an editing app, it's an image
>>> *viewing* app. Editing is an active process; tools which hide at a
>>> moment's notice are not helpful, they are an active, intentional,
>>> pointless hindrance - and the GIMP UI gits have never figured this out.
>>
>> How so? You can drag the popups so that they are always there.
>
> I just fired it up again. Up comes... okay, first item, wrong freakin'
> monitor. Most things, if I launch 'em from monitor 2 - at least if I leave
> the mouse sitting there until they're loaded - come up on monitor 2. GIMP
> came up on monitor 1.
I don't have that issue.
I think you might just need to check the UI preference settings.
> Fine, fine. Got two windows: an image and a nice, handy, useful little
> toolbar. Let's open a couple more images.
>
> Great. Got a couple images I want to edit. The toolbar window? Nowhere
> to be seen. Which means now I have to go hunting for the barking stupid
> thing. Wherever it is, it is *not* sitting there, visible, ready to be
> used.
So you want it to be a top-most window?
Just hit your Alt-Tab key a couple times. It will appear.
> How about a dual-screen setup with each running 1600x1200? Doesn't
> matter, the UI still bites sweaty sacks.
Yuck!
> Heh. Just opened several images with GIMPy. Not only is the toolbar
> buried God knows where, but there is, half-buried in the chaos of its
> completely unmanaged insanity of an interface, a "Tip of the Day" dialog.
Disable it.
> The last run, I did not even see this window - because the UI is such a
> steaming pile of stewed entrails that it can't even manage something as
> basic as making "helpful hints" actually visible to the user unless they
> go spelunking.
Maybe you're one of those fellows who just needs to disable auto-raise,
for your own sanity.
> Hell, you
> can't even move the app windows around easily, say to toss 'em all on
> another virtual desktop.
Now I agree that one is a bit bad. However, I'm not sure I'd trade it
for having the modeless windows that seem to get under your skin.
> Oh, goodies. Just found *another* way it's broken beyond redemption.
> Somehow - don't ask me, as it persists in hiding useful things such as,
> oh, the tool selector window - I wound up with two copies running. Which
> means two tool selector windows.
>
> Well, hell, don't need all that, one's sufficient. Close the other...
> *poof*, there go five images off the desktop.
>
> EXCUSE ME? If your UI is too freaking stupid to cope with a properly
> associated window layout so you can at least *tell* what tool window is in
> charge of what image windows, then the UI has *no goddamn business" closing
> the windows it's not managing. Except it is managing them, it's simply
> lying - visually - about the fact, showing them all as first-class
> windows, not second-class descendant windows. So when you close what
> appears to be a completely pointless and redundant tool selector, what you
> get instead is a wholly unexpected - and absolutely *wrong*, based on
> visual cues - closing of the very windows you *do* want open.
Works fine for me. You want to distinguish your windows reliably? Open
each instance of GIMP in a different virtual desktop.
Or don't open two of them.
Or make a menu entry that color codes them (don't know if that is
possible).
> This UI is, to be blunt, retarded. It is bad, broken, crippled beyond any
> hope of repair. The program itself is good, powerful, flexible, we can
> all agree on this, I'm sure. The UI, however, would have been right at
> home in the toolbox of the Marquis de Sade.
Maybe you should see if GimpShop will tame the wild GIMP for you.
Supposedly it will, among other things, group all the gimp's windows in
a single window.
Personally, I find restricting suchs things to a single window to be
restrictive.
Others apparently also have issues with the GIMP's UI.
However, even with those problems you mentioned, I find the GIMP pretty
easy to use. Like any art program, you want a clean desktop to use it
in, so find an empty one or two and use 'em.
And stock up on some decaf.
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"Linux is a cancer!" -- Steve Ballmer, CEO Microsoft
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