____/ Peter Köhlmann on Wednesday 19 September 2007 23:45 : \____
> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>> ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Wednesday 19 September 2007 21:23 : \____
>>
>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>> ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Wednesday 19 September 2007 17:30 : \____
>>>>
>>>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Wednesday 19 September 2007 10:10 : \____
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Wednesday 19 September 2007 09:10 : \____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://news.opensuse.org/?p=265
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just another example of the "bad" Novell
>>>>>>>>>> Right, Roy? Mark?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If it wasn't them, it would be someone else (possibly Red Hat).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But it *is* them
>>>>>>>> And they work since *four* *month* with AMD people on this project.
>>>>>>>> That it is now public has to do with the fact that before disclosing
>>>>>>>> it they had to clear up technical and legal things
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can't simply shrug it off and ascertain that it "would have been
>>>>>>>> someone else". Because it isn't. And SuSE/Novell have for a long
>>>>>>>> time worked on X and drivers for it. In fact, a large chunk of the
>>>>>>>> existing drivers where done by people paid by SuSE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This just to show that your disqualifying Novell for no good reason
>>>>>>>> is somewhat dubious. I don't like the attitude of several
>>>>>>>> "advocates" to partition the linux world
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, it is SuSE partly because AMD has historical reasons for working
>>>>>>> with them, as SuSE did a lot of the 64bit-implementation for AMD64.
>>>>>>> Another reason why it is not simply "someone else would have done it"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is some more background info
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://egbert-e.livejournal.com/359.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fair point. I would still say that the harms they bring outweigh the
>>>>>> benefits. There's no doubt about it -- Novell tries to help Linux too,
>>>>>> but some of the routes it takes are selfish and damaging to Linux /as
>>>>>> a whole/.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, Roy, *you* (and others) claim that Novell is "damaging linux".
>>>>> But so far I have seen nothing at all which would substantiate that
>>>>> claim. Just some wild speculations. Frankly, that is not very
>>>>> convincing
>>>>
>>>> There are many ways in which Novell harms Linux and I wrote a lot about
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> Yes. And I found every bit of it as convincing as DFSs idiotic rants.
>>> Most of it even less convincing, if possible at all. It was nearly as
>>> lunatic as a "7" post
>>>
>>>> I used to like Novell for its relationship with Linux, but its new
>>>> relationship with Microsoft now seems equally important to them (even if
>>>> it means hurting Linux for Novell's own, short-term benefit).
>>>
>>> You are not privy to their terms with MS. *Everything* you write on those
>>> terms is simply wild speculation.
>>>
>>>> If Novell
>>>> kills its supplier, it will be left with nothing. It's like selling your
>>>> mom's blood for profit.
>>>>
>>>
>>> See? You spout some wild speculation. And then you have the nerve to
>>> think that I should accept that as "evidence" or even as "fact"
>>>
>>> No way. I am simply not singleminded enough for that claptrap
>>
>> I have used literally *thousands* of peripheral citations to support
>> everything I write in bn.com.
>
> Certainly. They were all soooo convincing. Each and every of those followed
> the "Yowl. Novell is soo uncool" mantra. And *none* provided any support at
> all for the claims made. Just wild speculations
>
>> It is based on evidence
>
> What "evidence"? You have yet to provide *any* evidence that
> your "boycott.novell" dumbshit has any relation to reality
>
>> and one just needs
>> to follow the cross- and external references.
>>
>
> Fine. Then feel free to provide the very first of those links. You know:
> Those which point to actual evidence. And not just complete, utter bullshit
Novell admits selfishness...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,231047,00.html
Novell's "superb standard"...
http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/09/10/2343256.shtml
Only Novell can distribute Moonlight...
http://blogs.cnet.com/5530-13505_1-0-10.html?forumID=166&messageID=2490312&threadID=228078
Many, many more...
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