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Re: Flash/Gnash vs. Silverlight/Moonlight

On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:18:59 -0500, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:00:38 -0000, Rick wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:39:57 -0500, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:35:03 -0000, Rick wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:13:33 -0500, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:12:01 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Linonut <linonut@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> * Tim Smith peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <2918649.CU9cZF3qyk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>>>>>>>>  Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > As for the features in Moonlight and Silverlight, they should
>>>>>>>>> > be pretty much comparable, as part of our collaboration
>>>>>>>>> > agreement includes access to the test suites to ensure that we
>>>>>>>>> > are compatible. The same test suites that they use to ensure
>>>>>>>>> > backwards compatibility on their own product.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Miguel. This confirms that Moonlight is not Silverlight
>>>>>>>>> (and probably never will be). Saying that Silverlight works in
>>>>>>>>> Linux is therefore not correct.  Silverlight is  Silverlight. In
>>>>>>>>> the same vein, OOXML is Microsoft Office (and it's not superb at
>>>>>>>>> all).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wait a second.  The relationship of Moonlight to Silverlight
>>>>>>>> sounds pretty much the same as the relationship of Gnash to
>>>>>>>> Flash, except Moonlight is actually receiving encouragement and
>>>>>>>> cooperation from the Silverlight people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Google in groups for "schestowitz" and "gnash", and there are
>>>>>>>> numerous posts by you supporting Gnash and calling it a Flash
>>>>>>>> player for Linux.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How can you claim that Gnash counts as Flash for Linux, but say
>>>>>>>> that Moonlight does not count as Silverlight for Linux.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim, looking to score a pedant point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And completely missing the point.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are you sure you are a programmer? Your girly giggles over your new
>>>>>> slrn filters and inability to understand the basics of any
>>>>>> technical issue make we wonder.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think he has changed careers from programmer to paid shill. Much
>>>>> like Schestowitz is no longer a full time student, only officially
>>>>> so he can sponge off grants etc and is now a full time paid SPAMMER.
>>>> 
>>>> Why do you have such an obsession with Roy?
>>> 
>>> Why is this group so obsessed with Microsoft/Windows hate mongering?
>> 
>> ... because of Microsoft's illegal and/or underhanded business
>> practices?
> 
> The same could be said of Roy Schestowitz. You just refuse to admit it.

What illegal activity is Roy engaged in, and how does it adversely effect 
the Linux community?

> 
> 
>>> I don't like fakes, frauds and phonies. If I didn't believe 100
>>> percent that he is being compensated for his hate mongering I wouldn't
>>> care.
>> 
>> And what makes you think anyone would compensate him for what you
>> accuse him of?
> 
> Are you kidding?
> Do you realize how much money is ultimately at stake?

And what makes you think anyone would compensate him for what you accuse 
him of?

> 
> You Linux loons like to believe the Linux vs * war is about sitting
> around a campfire and singing Kum ba ya.
> For most of you, at least in COLA, that's the way you see it.
> 
> For others, Novell, Microsoft, Xandros, Linspire, IBM, Nvidia,
> Negroponte, Shuttleworth etc this is big business and a lot of money is
> at stake.

Yes, there is money at stake. A lot.
> 
> 
>  
>>> Somebody has to expose this shill since the rest of you are too starry
>>> eyed.
>> 
>> First, why?

No answer?

>> 
>> Second, starry eyed? Me? I think not, I have been using Linux for
>> around 10 years... since you really did have to edit a lot of config
>> files by hand. I am well aware of the relative lack of applications. I
>> am also aware that I, with few exceptions, use Linux for all my
>> computer needs. Yes, there are times when I need IE. There are times
>> when I need windows to run an app or 2 from work. I am well aware that
>> a LOT of popular games don't run under Linux at all, much less native.
>> 
>> I am also aware that most Linux based distros provide a stable secure
>> OS. I can (and have) talked directly to developers about their
>> software.
>> 
>> Do I wish all software was OSS and free ($0)... yes. Do I think it will
>> happen any time soon, or even at all? No. Do I still but software? Yes.
>> 
>> So, where are the stars?
> 
> They are in your eyes when you refuse to even consider that Schestowitz
> might be getting compensated for his *work*.

What does using Linux have to do with anything that Roy does?

>>> 
>>> At some point it is going to all be revealed and you will see that I
>>> and others have been correct all the time.
>> 
>> ... and so what if you are?
> 
> Nothing really other than the fact that you guys have been getting
> conned and used by a Pied Piper.

Roy isn't conning me about anything.

-- 
Rick

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