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____/ Terry Porter on Friday 17 October 2008 04:04 : \____
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:24:05 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Terry Porter <linux-2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote
>> on Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:58:36 -0500
>> <SvOdnbkYptSxr2jVnZ2dnUVZ_ofinZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:12:59 +0100, Homer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Verily I say unto thee, that Terry Porter spake thusly:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Crikey!
>>>>
>>>> We better evacuate the Trolls, for humanitarian reasons.
>>>
>>> Hahahah, Hi Homer :)
>>>
>>> I'm not the Troll eater I used to be, time and age have taken their
>>> toll.
>>>
>>> I'm 54 years old now and only eat the odd live Windows advocate for
>>> breakfast, as I'm finding they lack nutrition.
>>>
>>> Wintrolls are stale like bread made in October 2001, and their diet of
>>> XP isn't doing them any good, it's just too damn OLD!
>>>
>>> Most Wintrolls find the new Windows sustenance called Vista just
>>> doesn't agree with them for some reason.
>>>
>>> There is only one modern, Free, up-to-date, and outstanding OS around,
>>> it's called Gnu/Linux, and of course every real Linux advocate here
>>> knows it :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Terry
>>>
>>>
>> Well, FWIW, not much has changed, although I don't remember if you left
>> before Roy decided to start his news service.
>
> Neither can I !
>
>>
>> I also have bad news....and I wish I knew precisely what version of
>> Apache is affected. Seems that a site named zone-h.org is tracking
>> successful hacks of websites, and Apache is at the top of the heap -- a
>> dubious honor, at best.
>>
>> http://httpd.apache.org/security_report.html
>>
>> shows a critical Chunked encoding vulnerability in 1.3.25 (fixed in
>> 1.3.26) but little else, unless web servers are using Win32 (there's a
>> Win32 Apache Remote command execution capability fixed in 1.3.24).
>>
>> Color me extremely curious and rather worried, but it appears that IIS
>> is now *more* secure than Apache, at least from the standpoint of
>> successful hacks.
>
> That's hard to know, as it's difficult to get past the stats and damn
> lies to uncover the truth these days.
>
> I see Code-Red and Nimda attempts in my logs every day, and these are
> Windows server only exploits.
>
>>
>> zone-h.org is now back up and shows 69.55% successful hacks of Linux as
>> of last week, with 21.00% Win2003, and 5.04% Win2000. One of the bigger
>> hacks was of phoeniz.lpl.arizona.edu, the Martian lander, apparently. It
>> is running Apache 2.2.8.
>>
>> One has to wonder what hole allowed the intruders in; the Apache website
>> above only suggests cross-scripting vulnerabilities, and I don't know if
>> that'll do it or not. (I'm not much of a hacker/cracker type.)
>>
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1235
>>
>> suggests they used remote SQL injection. (Fortunately, this particular
>> attack was limited to defacement/redirction of the page; no malware was
>> sent -- but what about next time?)
>
> SQL injection isn't really the fault of the web server is it ?
> As far as I know, it's the fault of the application or database.
>
> In any event, Apache is so configurable, it's pretty easy to prohibit
> data that would enable SQL injection, and log such attempts.
>
> There are articles on the Internet that show how to do this.
>
>
>>
>> Of course, there's still the question of *desktop* security; Linux still
>> wins there -- thank goodness for small favors.
>
> I admit I'm *really* out of touch with Windows on the desktop, and I plan
> to keep it that way.
>
> Here are my latest Apache 2 server stats from Awestats:-
> Operating Systems
> Versions Hits Percent
> Windows 75766 75.8 %
> Windows XP 57129 57.2 %
> Windows NT 30 0 %
> Windows Vista 15827 15.8 %
> Windows CE 4 0 %
> Windows 98 87 0 %
> Windows 2003 1654 1.6 %
> Windows 2000 1035 1 %
> BSD 32 0 %
> OpenBSD 30 0 %
> FreeBSD 2 0 %
> Linux 14643 14.6 %
> Ubuntu 8031 8 %
> Suse 221 0.2 %
> Red Hat 29 0 %
> Mandriva (or Mandrake) 37 0 %
> Fedora 800 0.8 %
> Debian 774 0.7 %
> Centos 30 0 %
> GNU Linux (Unknown or unspecified distribution) 4721 4.7 %
> Macintosh 8214 8.2 %
> Mac OS X 8214 8.2 %
> Others 1179 1.1 %
> Unknown 1057 1 %
> Unknown Unix system 84 0 %
> Sun Solaris 38 0 %
>
>
>
> Browsers (Top 10)
> MSIE 14139 14.1 %
> Msie 8.0 No 462 0.4 %
> Msie 7.0 No 9725 9.7 %
> Msie 6.0 No 3939 3.9 %
> Msie 5.5 No 11 0 %
> Msie 5.01 No 1 0 %
> Msie ? No 1 0 %
> FIREFOX 70932 71.1 %
> Firefox 3.1 No 245 0.2 %
> Firefox 3.0.3 No 55398 55.5 %
> Firefox 3.0.2 No 1075 1 %
> Firefox 3.0.1 No 3847 3.8 %
> Firefox 3.0 No 1818 1.8 %
> Firefox 2.0.0.9 No 109 0.1 %
> Firefox 2.0.0.7 No 122 0.1 %
> Firefox 2.0.0.6 No 271 0.2 %
> Firefox 2.0.0.5 No 52 0 %
> Firefox 2.0.0.4 No 172 0.1 %
> Firefox 2.0.0.3 No 151 0.1 %
> Firefox 2.0.0.2 No 30 0 %
> Firefox 2.0.0.17 No 4686 4.6 %
> Firefox 2.0.0.16 No 602 0.6 %
> Firefox 2.0.0.15 No 99 0 %
> Firefox 2.0.0.14 No 616 0.6 %
> Firefox 2.0.0.13 No 107 0.1 %
> Firefox 2.0.0.12 No 338 0.3 %
> Firefox 2.0.0.11 No 501 0.5 %
> Firefox 2.0.0.10 No 83 0 %
> Firefox 2.0.0.1 No 32 0 %
> Firefox 2.0.0.0 No 29 0 %
> Firefox 2.0.0 No 32 0 %
> Firefox 2.0 No 63 0 %
> Firefox 1.5.0.6 No 1 0 %
> Firefox 1.5.0.4 No 30 0 %
> Firefox 1.5.0.12 No 391 0.3 %
> Firefox 1.5.0.11 No 2 0 %
> Firefox 1.0 No 30 0 %
> NETSCAPE 20 0 %
> Netscape 5.0 No 1 0 %
> Netscape 4.0 No 19 0 %
> Others 14619 14.6 %
> Safari No 6560 6.5 %
> Opera No 4790 4.8 %
> Mozilla No 1994 1.9 %
> Konqueror No 638 0.6 %
> Unknown ? 181 0.1 %
> BonEcho (Firefox 2.0 development) No 116 0.1 %
> Epiphany No 87 0 %
> K-Meleon No 70 0 %
> Vienna (RSS Reader) No 56 0 %
> Links No 54 0 %
> NetNewsWire (RSS Reader) No 34 0 %
> Galeon No 30 0 %
> LibWWW No 5 0 %
> Wget Yes 2 0 %
> BlogBridge (RSS Reader) No 1 0 %
> Liferea (RSS Reader) No 1 0 %
>
>
> An interesting stat I see here, is that while Windows is dominant, Linux
> is as popular as Vista :)
>
>>
>> All in all, welcome back to the fray... ;-)
>
> Thanks!
>
> I must admit, I don't expect much from the current crop of Wintrolls,
> their posts nowdays make obnoxious 6 years olds I once knew seem like
> Einstein.
>
> When I was here last, around 2001, things were far more exciting as XP
> had just been released, and how the Wintrolls were stamping their big
> hairy flat feet in excited expectation of wonderful things to come from
> Microsoft.
>
> I thought it was all a big yawn. XP looked like 'Toys R Us' to me, same
> old stuff.
>
> Now it's 2008, XP is still the most popular OS amongst Windows users, and
> it's EIGHT YEARS OLD !!!!!
>
> HAHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA, GACK,SPIT, COUGH, ahh I
> needed that!
>
> XP is eight years old, and it sure looks dated to me. Then again it
> looked dated when it first came out, hello ... can anyone spell NT ?
>
> Flatfish used to carry on about how old Linux was etc, talk about irony :)
>
> Sure Compiz-Fusion is all bling and personally I use ICEwm (still), but
> Compiz does show the advanced display technology available in Linux.
>
> Compiz also makes great big saucer eyes out of Windows users when they
> see it, in fact I'm pretty sure that Compiz has stopped the brains of a
> couple as their mouths worked like stranded Guppies as they stared.
>
> Windows ..... where do you want to be stuck yesterday ?
Here are mine from the first 18 days of October in boycottnovell.com, FWIW:
Windows 825373 44.1 %
Windows XP 600562 32 %
Windows NT 1333 0 %
Windows Me 1148 0 %
Windows Vista 158296 8.4 %
Windows CE 807 0 %
Windows 98 3778 0.2 %
Windows 95 526 0 %
Windows 2003 30471 1.6 %
Windows 2000 28390 1.5 %
Windows 3.xx 62 0 %
BSD 6607 0.3 %
OpenBSD 433 0 %
NetBSD 435 0 %
FreeBSD 5739 0.3 %
Linux 768548 41 %
Ubuntu 257815 13.7 %
Suse 74049 3.9 %
Red Hat 2919 0.1 %
Mandriva (or Mandrake) 36487 1.9 %
Fedora 84601 4.5 %
Debian 71851 3.8 %
Centos 3848 0.2 %
GNU Linux (Unknown or unspecified distribution) 236978 12.6 %
Macintosh 117309 6.2 %
Mac OS X 116948 6.2 %
Mac OS 361 0 %
Others 153378 8.1 %
Unknown 144908 7.7 %
Sun Solaris 5650 0.3 %
Unknown Unix system 1323 0 %
Symbian OS 801 0 %
OS/2 368 0 %
CPM 122 0 %
RISC OS 75 0 %
BeOS 37 0 %
HP UX 34 0 %
Irix 32 0 %
AmigaOS 24 0 %
Aix 2 0 %
VMS 1 0 %
Sony PlayStation Portable 1 0 %
MSIE 230685 12.3 %
Msie 999.1 No 110 0 %
Msie 8.01 No 15 0 %
Msie 8.0 No 7392 0.3 %
Msie 7.0 No 125040 6.6 %
Msie 7 No 41 0 %
Msie 6.1 No 6 0 %
Msie 6.0 No 92052 4.9 %
Msie 5.5 No 2886 0.1 %
Msie 5.23 No 40 0 %
Msie 5.22 No 1 0 %
Msie 5.01 No 682 0 %
Msie 5.00 No 15 0 %
Msie 5.0 No 752 0 %
Msie 4.01 No 700 0 %
Msie 4.0 No 75 0 %
Msie 3.02 No 28 0 %
Msie 3.01 No 2 0 %
Msie 3.0 No 3 0 %
Msie 2.0 No 60 0 %
Msie 1.5 No 1 0 %
Msie ? No 784 0 %
FIREFOX 1158614 61.9 %
Firefox 5.9 No 36 0 %
Firefox 3.1.0 No 35 0 %
Firefox 3.1 No 2396 0.1 %
Firefox 3.03 No 118 0 %
Firefox 3.01 No 34 0 %
Firefox 3.0.4 No 870 0 %
Firefox 3.0.3 No 725439 38.7 %
Firefox 3.0.2 No 91214 4.8 %
Firefox 3.0.1 No 98806 5.2 %
Firefox 3.0.0.0.0 No 33 0 %
Firefox 3.0 No 42355 2.2 %
Firefox 3 No 94 0 %
Firefox 2.5.9.9 No 36 0 %
Firefox 2.0.1 No 31 0 %
Firefox 2.0.0.9 No 4543 0.2 %
Firefox 2.0.0.8 No 1177 0 %
Firefox 2.0.0.7 No 1301 0 %
Firefox 2.0.0.6 No 4309 0.2 %
Firefox 2.0.0.5 No 848 0 %
Firefox 2.0.0.4 No 2060 0.1 %
Firefox 2.0.0.3 No 7086 0.3 %
Firefox 2.0.0.2 No 903 0 %
Firefox 2.0.0.18 No 33 0 %
Firefox 2.0.0.17 No 90375 4.8 %
Firefox 2.0.0.16 No 25512 1.3 %
Firefox 2.0.0.15 No 2169 0.1 %
Firefox 2.0.0.14 No 20746 1.1 %
Firefox 2.0.0.13 No 3141 0.1 %
Firefox 2.0.0.12 No 5004 0.2 %
Firefox 2.0.0.11 No 9057 0.4 %
Firefox 2.0.0.10 No 1431 0 %
Firefox 2.0.0.1 No 1099 0 %
Firefox 2.0.0.0 No 194 0 %
Firefox 2.0.0 No 714 0 %
Firefox 2.0 No 2229 0.1 %
Firefox 2 No 53 0 %
Firefox 1.6 No 59 0 %
Firefox 1.5.0.9 No 1199 0 %
Firefox 1.5.0.8 No 326 0 %
Firefox 1.5.0.7 No 1075 0 %
Firefox 1.5.0.6 No 304 0 %
Firefox 1.5.0.5 No 290 0 %
Firefox 1.5.0.4 No 513 0 %
Firefox 1.5.0.3 No 317 0 %
Firefox 1.5.0.2 No 136 0 %
Firefox 1.5.0.13 No 113 0 %
Firefox 1.5.0.12 No 3989 0.2 %
Firefox 1.5.0.11 No 74 0 %
Firefox 1.5.0.10 No 692 0 %
Firefox 1.5.0.1 No 481 0 %
Firefox 1.5.0 No 85 0 %
Firefox 1.5 No 754 0 %
Firefox 1.0.8 No 236 0 %
Firefox 1.0.7 No 533 0 %
Firefox 1.0.6 No 320 0 %
Firefox 1.0.4 No 420 0 %
Firefox 1.0.3 No 89 0 %
Firefox 1.0.2 No 32 0 %
Firefox 1.0.1 No 122 0 %
Firefox 1.0 No 781 0 %
Firefox 0.9.6 No 8 0 %
Firefox 0.9.2 No 9 0 %
Firefox 0.9.1 No 14 0 %
Firefox 0.9 No 8 0 %
Firefox 0.8.0 No 9 0 %
Firefox 0.8 No 36 0 %
Firefox 0.5.6 No 24 0 %
Firefox 0.10.1 No 3 0 %
Firefox 0.10 No 44 0 %
Firefox ? No 38 0 %
NETSCAPE 4048 0.2 %
Netscape 8.0.3.4 No 34 0 %
Netscape 8.0.1 No 12 0 %
Netscape 8.0 No 7 0 %
Netscape 7.2 No 418 0 %
Netscape 7.1 No 66 0 %
Netscape 7.01 No 37 0 %
Netscape 6.2.1 No 31 0 %
Netscape 6.1 No 4 0 %
Netscape 6.01 No 2 0 %
Netscape 5.0 No 1400 0 %
Netscape 5 No 34 0 %
Netscape 4.8 No 121 0 %
Netscape 4.79 No 28 0 %
Netscape 4.77 No 15 0 %
Netscape 4.76 No 35 0 %
Netscape 4.75 No 42 0 %
Netscape 4.7 No 1 0 %
Netscape 4.61 No 35 0 %
Netscape 4.5 No 50 0 %
Netscape 4.11 No 36 0 %
Netscape 4.08 No 1 0 %
Netscape 4.06 No 2 0 %
Netscape 4.0 No 69 0 %
Netscape 3.04 No 1 0 %
Netscape 3.01 No 72 0 %
Netscape 3.0 No 22 0 %
Netscape 0.91 No 12 0 %
Netscape 0.6 No 26 0 %
Netscape ? No 1435 0 %
Others 477868 25.5 %
Mozilla No 140121 7.4 %
Opera No 84396 4.5 %
Safari No 73440 3.9 %
Unknown ? 61261 3.2 %
Konqueror No 51838 2.7 %
Wget Yes 40147 2.1 %
Akregator (RSS Reader) No 6432 0.3 %
Liferea (RSS Reader) No 6012 0.3 %
Epiphany No 3353 0.1 %
Galeon No 1499 0 %
NetNewsWire (RSS Reader) No 953 0 %
NewsGator (RSS Reader) No 631 0 %
K-Meleon No 620 0 %
RSSOwl (RSS Reader) No 603 0 %
Camino No 594 0 %
Vienna (RSS Reader) No 579 0 %
Lynx No 577 0 %
BonEcho (Firefox 2.0 development) No 573 0 %
NewsFire (RSS Reader) No 570 0 %
Gnus Network User Services No 532 0 %
MultiZilla No 439 0 %
LibWWW No 399 0 %
OmniWeb No 372 0 %
Links No 361 0 %
FeedReader (RSS Reader) No 246 0 %
Dillo No 216 0 %
FeedDemon (RSS Reader) No 151 0 %
RSS Bandit (RSS Reader) No 110 0 %
iCab No 107 0 %
AWeb No 82 0 %
Curl Yes 70 0 %
LibWWW-perl No 68 0 %
Acrobat Webcapture Yes 60 0 %
Nutscrape No 54 0 %
Gnome FileSystem Abstraction library No 38 0 %
Ericsson Browser (PDA/Phone browser) No 38 0 %
w3m No 38 0 %
Phoenix No 38 0 %
Samsung (PDA/Phone browser) No 35 0 %
Pluck (RSS Reader) No 35 0 %
Chimera (Old Camino) No 33 0 %
FDM Free Download Manager Yes 27 0 %
CJB.NET Proxy No 24 0 %
Firebird (Old Firefox) No 24 0 %
BlogBridge (RSS Reader) No 18 0 %
HTTrack Yes 15 0 %
Sony/Ericsson Browser (PDA/Phone browser) No 9 0 %
HTTP user-agent for POE (portable networking framework for Perl) No 8 0 %
The Movie Player (media player) No 6 0 %
iBrowse No 5 0 %
Xine, a free multimedia player (media player) No 4 0 %
Plagger (RSS Reader) No 2 0 %
NetShow Player (media player) No 2 0 %
Lotus Notes web client No 2 0 %
SharpReader (RSS Reader) No 1 0 %
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