Erik Funkenbusch <erik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:49:08 +0200, Mart van de Wege wrote:
>>> Here is Microsoft and HP's statements to ECMA:
>> How about you actually *read* your links for a change, you blundering
>> Do you see the word 'royalty free' anywhere in there?
> I didn't say it did. I said it was Microsoft's statements to ECMA.
So why would you admit you posted an irrelevant link to answer my
>>> Further, Jim Miller, a MS program manager states that the license is
>>> royalty free.
>> Yes, and that is a developer stating his opinion. An opinion that is
>> later contradicted. Note that Jim says that any patents 'will be'
>> royalty-free, but the actual statement submitted to ECMA says no such
> He's not a developer, he's a program manager. That means he's in charge of
So, that makes a mailing list post an official patent grant? Sorry, but
legal matters *don't* work that way, and you damn well know it.
> "will be" doesn't mean "in the future" in this context. It' means
> "now and in the future". The statements submited to Ecma ware made in
> 2001. The statements about royaltee-free came later.
So where are the official patent grants then? The only official document
I've managed to find is the ECMA statement, which does *not* specify
>>> That's assuming you even need a license, as of yet there is no known
>>> patents on the CLI and C#. The only patents are in the .NET stack.
>> So, if there are no patents, why does Microsoft not give out a
>> royalty-free patent grant in its ECMA statement?
> So Microsoft should give a royalty free patent grant to patents they
> don't have?
So if they don't have patents in C#/CLI, why would they need to file a
patent grant with ECMA? Why not file a disclaimer that they *don't* hold
> That's a new one, even for you.
>> How about for once giving a straight answer, instead of giving us the
> I gave you the straight answer, you choose to see it in your own context.
So, where is that royalty-free patent grant you Microsofties keep
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