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Re: Call for moderation and mediation: debian-live vs. debian-live-ng


Am Mittwoch, den 11.11.2015, 14:19 +0100 schrieb Miriam Ruiz:
> Just for the record, I don't feel myself capable of acting a
> moderator able to help in this situation, particularly when it seems
> that what's essentially asked for is for someone to talk with Daniel
> and convince him not to get mad and to not make a fuss out of it, and
> to deal with it in a civilized way. Or maybe I'm wrong, but the
> impression I already have about the situation, being an outsider and
> having made up my opinion mostly from what I've seen, heard or read
> throughout the years, is that there is nothing to negotiate or
> moderate here, the decision is taken -for the sensible reasons that
> have already been explained, I'm not complaining about that or
> anything- and the point is essentially trying to convince Daniel et
> al. not to get angry about how things are being done. Am I wrong?

it might be part of what I am hoping for, but not everything.

There are a few people out there (and maybe in here as well) who see
(parts of) this story and draw conclusions about how Debian treats
contributors. Conclusions that I hope are in general false, and
conclusions that I’d not like to pervade our image.

So, a bit more concretely, here are thinks that I such a neutral report
could state. (Read every line with an “if deemed appropriate by the
mediator” – I certainly do not know enough about the issue to make any
such call, and therefore some of these are deliberately contradictory)

 * Outline the history of events that led to this outcome.
 * Allow Daniel to not lose his face. This might involve
   - acknowledging his work, and thanking for it
   - apologize to him, if he was treated wrong on a social level
   - outline a way forward to collaborate, or at least to allow
     the projects to exist side-by-side in a friendly manner
 * Explain why, despite the public perception, nobody has been wronged,
   neither technically and socially.
 * Explain that “the project” did the technical correct thing, but did
   it wrong on a social level, and state that this was a mistake, and
   we are all humans, and the project in general does not approve such

A bit more profanely, one could say that we have a slight PR problem,
and PR problems should better be handled actively.


Joachim "nomeata" Breitner
Debian Developer
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