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Re: Spammers' From Field

  • Subject: Re: Spammers' From Field
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com>
  • Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:02:28 +0100
  • Newsgroups: uk.comp.misc
  • Organization: schestowitz.com / Manchester University
  • References: <g76dncTBlb0pJ0vfRVnyrA@pipex.net> <db7dj0$19iq$2@godfrey.mcc.ac.uk> <slrnddeovt.37c.spam@neutron.nukesoft.co.uk>
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Marcus Houlden wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 05:20:28 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
> <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> wrote the following to uk.comp.misc:
>> ofn01 wrote:
>>> We purchased something from M&S via their website, then they started
>>> spamming us, which to be fair it does say they can do in their privacy
>>> clause on their website. However, it says that you can click the links
>>> at the bottom of the email to unsubscribe.
>>> However, surprise surprise, the links don't work! (as in there are no
>>> hrefs - the text just says 'click here' but its not a link).
>>> So we emailed them from the privacy section of their website, and they
>>> said, quote:
>>> "I'm sorry to hear that you are having problems un-subscribing from our
>>> mailing list. We are aware that there is a problem with the link, and
>>> our I.T team are working to fix it. May we ask that you try again in a
>>> couple of days."
>>> Like - wtf? What do you do when spammers won't take you off their spam
>>> list? M&S are blatantly spamming us, admit that their unspam link
>>> doesn't work, and just try to fob us off with 'try again in a couple of
>>> days' - which of course won't work, we'll have to wait for another spam
>>> and hope that that has the link in it.
>>> Nice one M&S.
>> If you have good control over your E-mail account, be sure to re-direct
>> all E-mails back to them, e.g.

I have not thought about it, but...
> Or better still, don't. I'm sick of having to deal with a spam run where
> the spammers have set their "from" addresses to be based on *my* domain.
> Spammers are liars and forgers who don't care about the consequences as
> long as *one* moron decides to buy their worthless shares or fake
> medicines. Report them to the information commissioner, trading standards,
> the OFT, the FCC or whoever, but *don't* make the situation worse by
> believing anything a spammer says or by taking direct action against them.

...in this case, he can knowingly set up a filter that concerns Marks &
Spencer only. The likelihood or an errant spammer abusing the Marks &
Spencer domain is extremely low.

The point you made helped me realise something that eluded me up until this
moment. I have boxtrappers on questionable E-mail accounts which I set up
(including the one by which I identify myself in UseNet). I am now coming
to grips with the fact that innocent businesses get boxtrapper verification
requests. I never got complaints, but it is natural to assume that this is

Some spammers use dead/inexistent E-mail addresses with domain names that do
not exist. As a result of that, I get several Mail System (sub)system
Delivery Errors per day and set up a filter to remove them automatically.

Can anyone be guilty for simply using a boxtrapper? I haven't thought about
it until you raised this very issue.


Roy S. Schestowitz

  • References:
    • Re: M&S Spam
      • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com>
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