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Re: [News] Desktop Environments War Similar to O/S Rivalry

__/ [ Kier ] on Sunday 22 October 2006 20:02 \__

> On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:28:30 +0200, Roy Culley wrote:
>> begin  risky.vbs
>> <pan.2006.>,
>> Kier <vallon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:31:45 +0200, Roy Culley wrote:
>>>> I believe both KDE and Gnome have improved vastly because of the
>>>> competition between them. I used to use Gnome until KDE3 came
>>>> along.  I still switch to Gnome on occasion but my personal
>>>> preference these days is KDE.
>>> I'm exactly the opposite. My preference is for Gnome, but right now
>>> I've switched to KDE for a while, just for variety. Ocaasionally
>>> I'll use Fluxbox, or xfce, too
>> Bang on there Kier. It's, wait for it, choice. We have it the
>> wintrolls don't. And it's what makes Linux so much fun. :-)
> Exactly. I really like the fact that I can switch environments, use so
> many different editors or other types of app *if I want to*. It's not
> forced on anyone, but it's all there if you want it. Andf there's so much
> variety, so much to explore, that you don't get bored.

It also adapts to different hardware requirements... or tasks. If you wish,
for example, to just run some long experiments as quickly as possible, why
use a desktop environment at all? Computational servers don't need that.
Same with Web servers. If you handle complexity, then KDE is fine. If you
only SSH to a KDE machine (as I often did from Ubuntu to SUSE), then GNOME
is excellent. You still get KDE goodness inside X, under GNOME.

>>>> I've played with most window managers / desktop environments over
>>>> the years. It is fun and I will continue to do so. The one that
>>>> suits me best is the one I'll use on a daily basis.
>>>> At this time it is KDE.  Tomorrow? Who knows. All I do know is that
>>>> whatever it is will be better than what I'm using today. That's
>>>> what OSS is all about. Giving me the choice of what I think is best
>>>> for me and not someone else dictating what I must use.
>>> I agree absolutely.
>>> I really can't understand this apparent hatred of choice that some
>>> people show in this newsgroup. Life is one long series of
>>> choices. If someone can't cope with choosing between KDE and Gnome,
>>> I have to wionder how they can manage to do anything.
>> The wintrolls have no choice. MS decides what they will use and that
>> is it. I've never liked the Windows GUI. It is appalling IMHO compared
>> with X. Window with focus must be on top. Copy paste. There's so much
>> more that is wrong with the inconsistent Windows GUI. Windows really
>> is a toy environment for people who actually need to be productive
>> with their desktop OS.

Productivity is relative and one must judge based on experience with a
multitude of products (not a one-day run as it's not enough for comfort and
familiarity). When I asked Scoble why he used LAMP after his inevitable blog
migration he simply said he wanted to judge something different (basis for
comparison). A couple of months later he ditched Microsoft (the company, not
the products).

> Since I started using Linux I've come to realise how restrictive the
> Windows UI is. It's not that I hate it, but it isn't anything like as nice
> as Linux. When I first started out, I dual-booted with XP Pro, which isn't
> bad, yet I quite quickly found myself using Windows less and less. There
> are a few things which are a bit easier to do in Windows, but I still
> rarely use it.

The less you use it, the less dependent on it you become. The worst one can
do is unnecessarily keep a Windows partition/box around because it's only
willing to 'talk' to Windows. I speak from experience here...

> When I recently bought this new PC of mine, it had Windows MCE on it,
> which includes some good apps, but I didn't find it tempting enough to
> keep - I got rid of it the same day.

There's feature parity with MythTV, which is free (and Free). It's not a pain
to install and you can obtain it as an appliance that even our grandparents
can use.

> I think that what some people fail to understand is that as Linux users,
> particularly if they're like me, not needing to use Windows at work,
> we aren't that interested in Vista or any other Windows version. What
> interests me is what KDE4 is going to do, or how XGL  is shaping up. If I
> bought another PC with Visata on it, the only reason I might keep it is if
> it did something I needed doing that I couldn't do with Linux, which
> these days isn't very much.

Well, something is still missing. Remember Ubuntu's number one bug, which was
assigned to Mark Shutteworth. It was market share. Pending a patch.
Canonical flirt with Oracle these days, so... and there are also
speculations (a poll) about Google and Ubuntu... financial backing is not
needed (KDE will soon be fed by Shuttleworth), but Google controls
/information/. Think marketing and recall what they did for Firefox in the

Best wishes,


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