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Re: Call for moderation and mediation: debian-live vs. debian-live-ng

On 11/12/2015 02:49 AM, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-11-11 at 21:13 +0400, Bálint Réczey wrote:
>> I would be very proud to be part of a project which could step back,
>> admit that taking over the "live" name this way was a mistake and
>> find a name which would not offend the Debian Live project which served
>> many users.
> I don't think that the name is the main part of the complaint from
> Daniel around this issue


> just the last straw in something that was a
> long time coming. Daniel leaving the Debian community entirely was
> inevitable;

Have you read that Daniel is "leaving the community"? Or orphaning all
of his packages? I haven't. I've read that he stops working on
debian-live, as he saw a group taking the project over. That's all I
read from him.

> I speculate that his status within Debian
> over the years is why he has distanced all of his Debian related
> projects from our community and infrastructure.

As a non-DD, he can't login in Debian machines. Or do you believe he had
another choice?

> Why he started Progress Linux

The idea of Progress-linux has always been to do all he could within
Debian, and just do things that couldn't be done from the within (for
various reasons) exist there, as an add-on repository to the existing
stable releases to "enhance" them. That's exactly what he has done.

>, why he put Debian Live on live-systems.org, why he doesn't use
> alioth but used git.debian.net and other sites.

The reason why he doesn't use Alioth is because he thought that it had
many technical issues. Frankly, with the way the fail2ban was setup a
few years ago, the fact that we needed approval from the admins for new
projects and so on, and seeing the kind of reply I had form Alioth
admins at the time, I was close to do the same. Though things are a way
better these days.

> We drove him out and we shouldn't be surprised at his reactions.

Yes, exactly.


Thomas Goirand (zigo)

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