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Re: Call for moderation and mediation: debian-live vs. debian-live-ng

I'm also disappointed. So much for 'we don't hide our problems'. Welcome to debian tribe - we can't blame 'our people' and we decide everything in private. 

On 2015, നവംബർ 18 9:03:55 AM IST, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:43:33AM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> On 11/12/2015 06:10 PM, Christian Kastner wrote:
>> >> Also, I don't think that any statement we produce, neutral or not,
>> >> help Daniel. Nothing short of "oh, we were completely wrong,
>Daniel was
>> >> right, and we're making changes to make sure it doesn't happen
>> >> would make him feel better or less "attacked".
>> > 
>> > Agreed. However, there still remains the issue of how this will
>> > on the project as a whole.
>> So far, I've only read everyone discussing how the project should
>> the situation, so that we don't look too bad.
>> Am I the only one who is sad, knowing that Daniel probably feels
>> miserable right now? Or just nobody sees that?!?
>> I know Daniel cared a lot of Debian, and still cares so much for it.
>> didn't just shut down live-build and his beloved Debian Live project
>> of malice. Re-read his message announcing the closure, and probably
>> you'll feel his pain. Think about it, wait, and re-read his
>> We should not just let Daniel go this way. If we do nothing, then
>> believing we're bad is bloody right. If we don't know how to make a
>> public statement, at least a private message sent to him, on the name
>> the project (by the DPL?), is the least we can do, if nobody wants to
>> call him back.
>> Am I the only one who cares for what he feels?
>Thanks Thomas for bringing this. I'm also feeling really bad for
>and for the project. I fear this lack of attention keeps demotivating
>quite a lot of people in the Debian community. I've clearly stated here
>that we should (at least try to) elaborate a public response to this
>question. And so far I couldn't see any good reason to not do so
>for keeping ourselves in our very comfortable and private zone?).
>I must say it's the second big frustration I've got from Debian in a
>months, being the first one a similar situation related to DebConf
>chairs resignation, after being insanely accused of acting as the worst
>kind of people.
>What we've got as response to this reaction?
>Sorry for pointing this particular email, but IMO it represents quite
>well our inert behavior on dealing with social issues inside the
>project, starting from the apparent lack of mediation skills of our
>extended to harmful miscommunication between important teams in Debian.
>And the worst, all ending up in private conversations. We naively
>believing that once the noise out there is down the issue is gone. What
>a mistake.
>(not private in my words)

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