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Re: Call for moderation and mediation: debian-live vs. debian-live-ng

On 11/18/2015 03:30 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> Which is why I'm not correcting John, who is wrong in many ways in how
> he describes the past. I'll just reply to the social part...


> On 11/18/2015 10:00 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>> Sorry, but Daniel doesn't get any pity from me.
> Your showing zero empathy for Daniel. You don't like Daniel. That's
> fine. Expressing it here, when he can't read you, when he's already out
> of Debian, and when I'm explaining he must be feeling miserable, that's
> unacceptable.

I don't know Daniel personally, so whether I like him or not is out
of the question. I just highly disliked the way he was interacting
with others, both regarding syslinux and cgmanager.

I'm sorry, but his acting when he blocked the Wheezy release was
absolutely unacceptable. Period. And for cgmanager, he could have
simply said "Oh, you guys are right. I'm sorry I forgot to file an
ITP." instead of trying to interpret the Debian Policy the way he
wants. When he became a DD, he vowed to adhere to the policy which
clearly states [1]:

"Assuming no one else is already working on your prospective package,
you *must* then submit a bug report (Section 7.1, “Bug reporting”)
against the pseudo-package wnpp describing your plan to create a new
package, including, but not limiting yourself to, the description of the
package (so that others can review it), the license of the prospective
package, and the current URL where it can be downloaded from."

How he and you tried to turn this into "An ITP is not needed, just
optional." is beyond me.

>> Thomas, please step a bit back and try to adopt a more
>> neutral view.
> Step back from what? I'm not even attempting to defend Daniel. I just
> wrote he is a human with feelings, and that we should take this into
> account.

I'm sorry, but he has absolutely no reason to be hurt or huffy.
Absolutely no one did something bad towards him. He was reprimanded
and eventually demoted to DM because his action directly hurt
Debian and he was unwilling to listen to others and stop being
selfish and respect the work of others.

> There is nothing wrong with that. Neither there is to have a
> non-neutral, emotionally charged view of a case implying someone I
> consider my friend. Please, have the decency to care for it. Your last
> post is unacceptable in many ways.

No, it's not unacceptable as I simply rehashed what happened. You
are free to look at the bug reports yourself. I wasn't involved in
either of them, but I read through all of it and criticize him for how
he handled these situations.

> P.S: It took me about 5 times to find a way to write this in an
> acceptable way without using bad words. I expect you John, to also try
> to be self-policing, or even better, not reply.

I'm sorry, but I didn't use any "bad words". This is just how it's
happened and if Daniel had been a little more understanding for
his fellow Debian Developers and Maintainers, things would have
never gone this far.


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 .''`.  John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
: :' :  Debian Developer - glaubitz@xxxxxxxxxx
`. `'   Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaubitz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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